https://forum.muscleandstrength.com/threads/50816-Squats-and-Deadlifts-Leave-me-Gasping
it came on like tides, very gradually in ways, suddenly in others. that's how i landed here. i know something neurological is going on (as does my rehab physio as of 1/25/19 who will talk to my doctor), causing me measurable muscle fatigue/weakness and limbs/body to tremble (some days more than others) to a point i can't lift much at all, doors to enter stores are getting heavier and harder to open, feel winded on the stairs, etc.
gene SNPs could play a big role (if you dont know your SNPs, i'd look into it for various health/fitness reasons) where symptoms could be dormant/manageable for 25-35-45 years then toxins (air, food, water, media, people) are too much for metabolism/microbiome so you start to notice it more. when i think back, my fitness demise began 1 year after bootcamp 1987, by age 20 i knew something was up with PT in the reserves, by age 21 college coaches dropped me from offensive role to full back. its as if it was a reaction to military vaccines or from a head injury in 82. it could be any of these things aka today's 'gasping/trembling et al' might have little to do with today's workout or nutrition.
typical 'no pain/gain' advise to push through it or guilt-trip readers as is predictably advised in all weightlifter forums could kill a member aka no more deadlifts ever for the poor bastard who heeds such 'lift till you drop' advise.
if you're feeling wiped out/gasping/breathless with excess muscle fatigue/soreness or sweating too easily (compared to your norm), like me, you're likely to get the same symptoms doing squats with no weight on the bar. in fact, i would suggest trying that or half the weight just to test/isolate.
anyone who can't see a difference between A (robust health) and B (suboptimal) should not be allowed to give potentially deadly advise and sites that allow it should have a policy that prevents it or includes huge disclaimers when the gasping sucker who believes such advise pushes until they drop dead in a gym or 'mysteriously' outside it.
much of the good advise on these sites largely applies to 'healthy' people who do not 'gasp' for air as if suffocating with multiple symptoms at simple squats. just saying. not all heavy breathing is the same.
Squats and Deadlifts Leave me Gasping | Muscle & Strength Forums
while in some cases, you guys might be right. in this case, you might not be. all too often, i find too many muscleheads and knucklehead forums giving dangerous advise without key disclaimers with every new post.
like in other forums, the OP was saying he was 'gasping' for air, gassed-out, needing fresh air stat, worried he may passout. he knows nothing about it is normal, yet is too embarrassed to talk about it, to hint at 'wimping out'. i can relate.
'gasping', and other related sensations, may not be the same as the 'deep breathing' related to 'pushing it' athletics and cardio. they're often not the same category at all.
giving a person on the verge of keeling over and getting sent to the ER, the same advise you give healthy folk is not just poor advise, its point blank shallow irresponsible and could be borderline liable.
people/athletes who know their bodies know if they 'suddenly' from one season/year to the next started gasping for air or feeling extreme muscle fatigue/burnout in 5-15min of easy warmups or on 3 flights of stairs they do everyday. they may have acquired a "condition" aka are ill at the cellular level and dont yet know what it is, losing time that might matter on intervention.
it could be mitochondrial dysfunction and more due to whatever myriad of reasons and most blood tests aren't likely to pinpoint it. if i do yoga pilates bike or squats in a class with 10 lb on a bar i repeatedly gass-out with legs trembling after 5-15min warmup, i take a break, do another 5-10min, then after total 25min i'm done 'gasping for air' pulse racing, jello legs trembling, quad burn. then my quads 'can barely stand/walk without grimacing pain' for 6-7 days (not typical 2-3 day soreness after serious exertion ex. 10k run). for me, none of that is normal and it ain't age. i am ex-infantry and high level soccer, played until 50 with age 30s, outdoor and indoor, when these hurdles and aches and injuries started getting excessive forcing me into gym/rehab/weights.
like in other forums, the OP was saying he was 'gasping' for air, gassed-out, needing fresh air stat, worried he may passout. he knows nothing about it is normal, yet is too embarrassed to talk about it, to hint at 'wimping out'. i can relate.
'gasping', and other related sensations, may not be the same as the 'deep breathing' related to 'pushing it' athletics and cardio. they're often not the same category at all.
giving a person on the verge of keeling over and getting sent to the ER, the same advise you give healthy folk is not just poor advise, its point blank shallow irresponsible and could be borderline liable.
people/athletes who know their bodies know if they 'suddenly' from one season/year to the next started gasping for air or feeling extreme muscle fatigue/burnout in 5-15min of easy warmups or on 3 flights of stairs they do everyday. they may have acquired a "condition" aka are ill at the cellular level and dont yet know what it is, losing time that might matter on intervention.
it could be mitochondrial dysfunction and more due to whatever myriad of reasons and most blood tests aren't likely to pinpoint it. if i do yoga pilates bike or squats in a class with 10 lb on a bar i repeatedly gass-out with legs trembling after 5-15min warmup, i take a break, do another 5-10min, then after total 25min i'm done 'gasping for air' pulse racing, jello legs trembling, quad burn. then my quads 'can barely stand/walk without grimacing pain' for 6-7 days (not typical 2-3 day soreness after serious exertion ex. 10k run). for me, none of that is normal and it ain't age. i am ex-infantry and high level soccer, played until 50 with age 30s, outdoor and indoor, when these hurdles and aches and injuries started getting excessive forcing me into gym/rehab/weights.
note: after my last 24 hr fetal position 'sciatica attack' in 2006 a yoga/pilates therapist GF saw L glute atrophy and L knee muscles not firing, and ever since L toes/ankle went off/on semi-numb and L calf twitching constantly. mid 2017 with a round of excruciating urgent care pain (erroneously labeled 'gout') overnight, my L toe box permanently went half crippled aka stiff toes with half the range of motion, making lunges and plank/jogging/yoga/sport impossible, i lost the motor control nerve-connection needed to contract/flex the L toes properly so started physio who theorized my tighter L ham might be culprit, then saw a pinch as possible contributor.
my L glute is 33% weaker than my R glute. the twitching weakness is spreading from L leg to both legs and arms. been seeing doctors for years, trying to convince something is up, but they are baffled as i pass all tests from stress test EKGs to neurological as 'normal'. spine/brain MRI is all that is pending.
it came on like tides, very gradually in ways, suddenly in others. that's how i landed here. i know something neurological is going on (as does my rehab physio as of 1/25/19 who will talk to my doctor), causing me measurable muscle fatigue/weakness and limbs/body to tremble (some days more than others) to a point i can't lift much at all, doors to enter stores are getting heavier and harder to open, feel winded on the stairs, etc.
gene SNPs could play a big role (if you dont know your SNPs, i'd look into it for various health/fitness reasons) where symptoms could be dormant/manageable for 25-35-45 years then toxins (air, food, water, media, people) are too much for metabolism/microbiome so you start to notice it more. when i think back, my fitness demise began 1 year after bootcamp 1987, by age 20 i knew something was up with PT in the reserves, by age 21 college coaches dropped me from offensive role to full back. its as if it was a reaction to military vaccines or from a head injury in 82. it could be any of these things aka today's 'gasping/trembling et al' might have little to do with today's workout or nutrition.
typical 'no pain/gain' advise to push through it or guilt-trip readers as is predictably advised in all weightlifter forums could kill a member aka no more deadlifts ever for the poor bastard who heeds such 'lift till you drop' advise.
if you're feeling wiped out/gasping/breathless with excess muscle fatigue/soreness or sweating too easily (compared to your norm), like me, you're likely to get the same symptoms doing squats with no weight on the bar. in fact, i would suggest trying that or half the weight just to test/isolate.
anyone who can't see a difference between A (robust health) and B (suboptimal) should not be allowed to give potentially deadly advise and sites that allow it should have a policy that prevents it or includes huge disclaimers when the gasping sucker who believes such advise pushes until they drop dead in a gym or 'mysteriously' outside it.
much of the good advise on these sites largely applies to 'healthy' people who do not 'gasp' for air as if suffocating with multiple symptoms at simple squats. just saying. not all heavy breathing is the same.
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on another forum, the OP was saying what this OP is half-describing, he was 'gasping' for air, gassed-out, needing fresh air stat, worried he may passout. he knows nothing about it is normal, yet is embarrassed to talk about it, to hint at 'wimp'. i can relate.
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