https://forum.muscleandstrength.com/threads/50816-Squats-and-Deadlifts-Leave-me-Gasping
it could be mitochondrial dysfunction and more due to whatever myriad of reasons and most blood/cardio tests aren't likely to pinpoint it. if i do yoga pilates bike or squats with 10 lb on a bar i repeatedly gass-out with legs trembling after 5-15min warmup, i take a break, go back do another 5-10min, then after total 25min i'm done 'gasping for air' pulse racing, jello legs trembling, quad burn. then, my quads 'can barely stand/walk without grimacing pain' for 6-7 days (not typical 2-3 day soreness after serious exertion ex. 10k run). for me, none of that is normal and it ain't age. i am ex-infantry and high level soccer until college, played in my 30s 40s until age 50, outdoor and indoor, when these hurdles and a few more, started getting excessive forcing me into gym/rehab/weights.
it came on like tides, very gradually in ways, suddenly in others. i know something neurological is going on, causing me measurable muscle fatigue/weakness and limbs/body to tremble (some days more than others) to a point i can't lift much at all, doors to enter stores are getting heavier and harder to open, feel winded on the stairs, etc.
gene SNPs could play a big role (if you dont know your SNPs, i'd look into it for various health/fitness reasons) where symptoms could be dormant/manageable for 25-35-45 years then toxins (air, food, water, technology, rx, culture/media) are too much for metabolism/microbiome so you start to notice it more. when i think back, my fitness demise began 1 year after bootcamp 1987, by age 20 i knew something was up with PT in the reserves, by age 21 college coaches dropped me from offensive role to full back. its as if it was a reaction to military vaccines or from a head injury in 82. it could be any of these things aka today's 'gasping/trembling et al' might have little to do with today's workout or nutrition.
typical 'no pain/gain' advise to push through it or guilt-trip readers as is predictably advised in all weightlifter forums could kill a member aka no more deadlifts for the poor bastard who heeds 'lift till you drop' advise.
if you're feeling wiped out/gasping/breathless with excess muscle fatigue/soreness or sweating too easily (compared to your norm), like me, you're likely to get the same symptoms doing squats with no weight on the bar. i would suggest trying that or half the weight just to isolate.
anyone who can't see a difference between A (robust health/genes) and B (suboptimal) should not be allowed to give potentially deadly advise, sites that allow it should have a policy that includes huge disclaimers to avoid suckers push-on until they drop dead in a gym or 'mysteriously' outside it.
much of the good advise on these sites largely applies to 'healthy' people who do not 'suffocate/gasp' doing what to them seems very simple. not all heavy breathing is equal.
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while in some cases, you guys might be right. in this case, you might not be. all too often, i find too many muscleheads and knucklehead forums giving dangerous advise without key disclaimers with every new post.
like in other forums, the OP was saying he was 'gasping' for air, gassed-out, needing fresh air stat, worried he may passout. he knows nothing about it is normal, yet is too embarrassed to talk about it, to hint at 'wimping out'. i can relate.
'gasping', and other related sensations, may not be the same as the 'deep breathing' related to 'pushing it' athletics and cardio. they're often not the same category at all.
giving a person on the verge of keeling over and getting sent to the ER, the same advise you give healthy folk is not just poor advise, its point blank shallow, irresponsible and could be borderline liable.
people/athletes who know their bodies know if they 'suddenly' from one season/year to the next started gasping for air in 5-15min of easy warmups or on 3 flights of stairs they do everyday, or feeling extreme muscle fatigue/burnout. they may have acquired a "condition" aka suboptimized at the cellular level and won't know what it is for another 15-20 years.
like in other forums, the OP was saying he was 'gasping' for air, gassed-out, needing fresh air stat, worried he may passout. he knows nothing about it is normal, yet is too embarrassed to talk about it, to hint at 'wimping out'. i can relate.
'gasping', and other related sensations, may not be the same as the 'deep breathing' related to 'pushing it' athletics and cardio. they're often not the same category at all.
giving a person on the verge of keeling over and getting sent to the ER, the same advise you give healthy folk is not just poor advise, its point blank shallow, irresponsible and could be borderline liable.
people/athletes who know their bodies know if they 'suddenly' from one season/year to the next started gasping for air in 5-15min of easy warmups or on 3 flights of stairs they do everyday, or feeling extreme muscle fatigue/burnout. they may have acquired a "condition" aka suboptimized at the cellular level and won't know what it is for another 15-20 years.
it could be mitochondrial dysfunction and more due to whatever myriad of reasons and most blood/cardio tests aren't likely to pinpoint it. if i do yoga pilates bike or squats with 10 lb on a bar i repeatedly gass-out with legs trembling after 5-15min warmup, i take a break, go back do another 5-10min, then after total 25min i'm done 'gasping for air' pulse racing, jello legs trembling, quad burn. then, my quads 'can barely stand/walk without grimacing pain' for 6-7 days (not typical 2-3 day soreness after serious exertion ex. 10k run). for me, none of that is normal and it ain't age. i am ex-infantry and high level soccer until college, played in my 30s 40s until age 50, outdoor and indoor, when these hurdles and a few more, started getting excessive forcing me into gym/rehab/weights.
note: after my last 24 hr fetal position 'sciatica attack' in 2006 a yoga/pilates therapist GF saw L glute atrophy and L knee muscles not firing, and ever since L toes/ankle went off/on semi-numb and L calf twitching constantly. mid 2017, overnight, one day to next, with a round of excruciating pain (labeled 'gout'), my L toe box permanently-to-date went stiff, lost half their range of motion, making lunges and plank/jogging/yoga/sport impossible. physio said tighter L ham might be culprit, but months of rehab hasn't won any range yet, so it looks more like i lost half the motor control nerve-connection needed to contract/flex the L toes properly, which may also be causing the tighter L ham, the quad burnout, and all the rest.
my L glute is 33% weaker than my R glute. the twitching weakness is spreading from L leg to both legs and arms. been seeing doctors for years, knowing something is up, but they are baffled as i can ace/pass any test from stress test EKGs to neurological as 'normal'. spine/brain MRI is all that is pending, so put that in motion after posting my original comment.
it came on like tides, very gradually in ways, suddenly in others. i know something neurological is going on, causing me measurable muscle fatigue/weakness and limbs/body to tremble (some days more than others) to a point i can't lift much at all, doors to enter stores are getting heavier and harder to open, feel winded on the stairs, etc.
gene SNPs could play a big role (if you dont know your SNPs, i'd look into it for various health/fitness reasons) where symptoms could be dormant/manageable for 25-35-45 years then toxins (air, food, water, technology, rx, culture/media) are too much for metabolism/microbiome so you start to notice it more. when i think back, my fitness demise began 1 year after bootcamp 1987, by age 20 i knew something was up with PT in the reserves, by age 21 college coaches dropped me from offensive role to full back. its as if it was a reaction to military vaccines or from a head injury in 82. it could be any of these things aka today's 'gasping/trembling et al' might have little to do with today's workout or nutrition.
typical 'no pain/gain' advise to push through it or guilt-trip readers as is predictably advised in all weightlifter forums could kill a member aka no more deadlifts for the poor bastard who heeds 'lift till you drop' advise.
if you're feeling wiped out/gasping/breathless with excess muscle fatigue/soreness or sweating too easily (compared to your norm), like me, you're likely to get the same symptoms doing squats with no weight on the bar. i would suggest trying that or half the weight just to isolate.
anyone who can't see a difference between A (robust health/genes) and B (suboptimal) should not be allowed to give potentially deadly advise, sites that allow it should have a policy that includes huge disclaimers to avoid suckers push-on until they drop dead in a gym or 'mysteriously' outside it.
much of the good advise on these sites largely applies to 'healthy' people who do not 'suffocate/gasp' doing what to them seems very simple. not all heavy breathing is equal.
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on another forum, the OP was saying what this OP is half-describing, he was 'gasping' for air, gassed-out, needing fresh air stat, worried he may passout. he knows nothing about it is normal, yet is embarrassed to talk about it, to hint at 'wimp'. i can relate.
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